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Bill Clinton Suggests "Cash for EVs"

Is it just me or has Bill Clinton recently surpassed his former VP, Al Gore, when it comes to addressing things like renewable energy and climate change?  He regularly makes appearances pushing for solutions such as utility decoupling and increasing the energy efficiency of buildings, and his foundation puts his words into action with its green projects like retrofitting the Empire State Building and installing LEDs throughout Los Angeles.

So, it was exciting to hear that Clinton shares the view of this blog concerning Cash for Clunkers.  At the National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas this week, he called out the program for setting mpg limits for the "efficient" cars too low and suggested the buy levitra online without prescription government create a similar program that offers rebates for EVs.

He said the overwhelming response to Cash for Clunkers “proves that Americans will bite if you make it economical enough.”  I wonder if he reads EcoGeek...

I don't think the government should throw money at consumers every time we need to get a new technology off the ground, but in the case of i recommend viagra and canada custom EVs, we're addressing something much bigger.  Increasing demand for EVs doesn't just help one industry or the economy as a whole, but could make way for an entirely new infrastructure - one that could significantly reduce our fuel consumption and emissions.

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The Clinton Foundation is Building the World's Largest Solat Thermal Powerplant in Gujarat, India
written by Mehul Kamdar, August 12, 2009
I am among those who are supporters of Renewable Energy and who consider the female viagra europe Gore-Paulson-Sandor ownership of stakes in Climate Change PLC and in three of the five climate exchanges worldwide more a Greenwashing exercise than an honest attempt at bringing in positive change in the way power is generated and distributed in the world.

But, the Clinton FOundation, which has not, so far, got much publicity, has some very good projects that it is promoting. One of these is what will eventually be the biggest (for a while at least until someone else builds something bigger) solar thermal powerplant in the world in Gujarat, India. This is in one of the fastest industrializing regions in India and only now united healthcare viagra one that is, consequently, badly polluted and in desperate need of clean energy. Not only is this a considerably more honest approach to doing anything green, this is jnot going to benefit the Clintons monetarily the way that Cap and Trade would fill up Gore and co's bank accounts. And, the Clinton project would, actually, do something to reduce pollution in one of the regions that the rest of the world is wary of, unlike Cap and Trade, which most experts think will accomplish nothing as far as climate change is concerned.
written by Bob Wallace, August 13, 2009
monetarily the way that Cap and Trade would fill up Gore and co's bank accounts


unlike Cap and Trade, which most experts think will accomplish nothing as far as climate change is concerned.

Some very extraordinary assertions you make here.

I wish you would either back them up with some facts or walk them back.
written by russ, August 13, 2009
Bill has the ability to convince people - sell frigs to Eskimos - Al has the ability to parrot words supplied by others.

Bill will accomplish more every time and he understands, "do and fame will follow on it's own accord".
For Bob Wallace - WHo Owns CLimate Change PLC
written by Mehul Kamdar, August 13, 2009
Bob Wallace,

It would take someone who is either a true believer in the Gore messiah, or someone who is a hermit to be unaware of who holds 10% of Climate Exchange PLC in London, the company that owns three of five of the world's climate exchanges. COnsidering that these climate exchanges do not transfer credits out of the goodness of their hearts and they charge transaction fees on every transfer, every transfer earns some money for their investors. Which brings us back to the real viagra online without prescription Gore-Paulson-Sandor trinity that some worship. If you can do a web search on Climate Exchange PLC, Chicago Climate Exchange, Generation Investment Corp and viagra mexico Goldman Sachs and exercise some detached logic, you are certain to see who would benefit monetarily from Climate Change Legislation.

After that, go to an impartial body like the Congressional Budget Office and read their analysis on Cap and Trade at: That should help you gain some perspective that is not adulatory of a supposed messiah on this issue.
Let's start with this one...
written by Bob Wallace, August 13, 2009
This if from Gore's testimony Friday, April 24, 2009 before the Subcommittee on Energy and Environment continued its hearings on "The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009".

That's a subcommittee of buy cialis uk the US House of Representatives. Blackburn is Rep. Marsha Blackburn R-TN.

BLACKBURN: So you're a partner in Kleiner Perkins. OK. Now, they have invested about a billion dollars in 40 companies that are going to benefit from cap-and-trade legislation. So is the legislation that we are discussing here today, is that something that you are going to personally benefit from?

GORE: I believe that the transition to a green economy is good for our economy and good for all of us, and I have invested in it. But every penny that I have made, I have put right into a nonprofit, the Alliance for Climate Protection, to spread awareness of why we have to take on this challenge.

And Congresswoman, if you're -- if you believe that the reason I have been working on this issue for 30 years is because of greed, you don't know me.

BLACKBURN: Sir, I'm not making accusations, I'm asking questions that have been asked of me and individuals -- constituents that were seeking a point of clarity, so I am asking you for that point of -- point of clarity.

GORE: I understand exactly what you're doing, Congresswoman. Everybody here does.

BLACKBURN: And, well -- you know, are you willing to divest yourself of any profit? Does all of it go to a not-for-profit that is an educational not-for-profit --

GORE: Every penny that I have made --

BLACKBURN: Every penny --

GORE: -- has gone to it. Every penny from the movie, from the book, from any investments in renewable energy. I've been willing to put my money where my mouth is. Do you think there's something wrong with being active in business in this country?

BLACKBURN: I am simply asking for clarification --

GORE: I'm proud of it.

BLACKBURN: -- of the relationship.

GORE: I'm proud of it.

You get that? He donates those profits that worry you so much. Every penny.

BTW, you may well have gotten your misinformation from "O'Reilly Factor" guest host Laura Ingraham who doctored the video from the hearings to hide the fact that Gore donates the levitra online cheap profits.

Don't you just hate it when "news" people lie to you? Makes you post foolish stuff and embarrass yourself....
Now, you and the CBO...
written by Bob Wallace, August 13, 2009

Do you realize that you linked to a 2001 report?

Here's what the CBO has to say about cap and best prices on viagra trade this year based on current C&T legislation...

The CBO report examines the average cost per household that would result from the implementation of the GHG cap-and-trade program under H.R. 2454, as well as how that cost would be spread among households with different levels of income.

Reducing emissions of GHGs would moderate the damage associated with climate change and the risk of significant damage, but it would also impose costs on the economy, reports CBO. In the case of carbon dioxide CO2 — which accounts for 85 percent of U.S. GHG emissions — higher costs would stem from the fact that most economic activity is based on fossil fuels that contain carbon and produce GHG emissions when burned, according to the analysis.

Under cap-and-trade, the federal government would put a limit on greenhouse gases from most sectors of the U.S. economy with the cap divided into billions of permits, reports Bloomberg News. Each permit is equivalent to one metric ton of carbon dioxide. CBO estimates that the price of an allowance would be $28 in 2020.

By annually reducing the buy ultram online fedex supply of these permits, the cap-and-trade legislation written by House Democrats Henry Waxman of California and Ed Markey of Massachusetts would lower the limit on greenhouse gases to 17 percent less than 2005 levels by 2020, according to Bloomberg News

(I believe that $175 per year/$0.48 per family per day has been downsized to $.23 per family per day since that particular CBO analysis. Don't you agree that it would be a small price to pay in order save our bacon? Oh, and it overlooks several benefits such as fewer health costs due to pollution avoided, etc.)

Say, Mehul...
written by Bob Wallace, August 13, 2009

I clicked on your link and was amazed at what I found. You seem to be someone who is very interest and concerned in things green.

I thought you were going to turn out to be some coal-financed right winger.

Your "Blogs I Follow" is very similar to my own. I'm going back to check for some that are new to me.

Your personal blog entries are generally about things that interest me. (I was at the Tirupati shrine a couple years ago, saw their solar heaters for their huge kitchen. And their solar panels and wind turbines. I first went to India almost 30 years ago and buy viagra in europe return every few years. Love the place.)

So how, green as you are, did you get this wild hair up your butt over Gore?

written by Silent Spring, August 13, 2009
Wow, really good discussion about the honesty of Gore. Still not sure if there is a disproportionate amount of self-interest in Al Gore's environmental activities. On the face of it though he seems to be doing a lot of good.
Just wondering...
written by Bob Wallace, August 13, 2009

disproportionate amount of self-interest

How might that get played out?

He's making zero money off of it all. He's putting out a lot of time and energy. He's getting attacked constantly by people who "hate green". He could get plenty of attention and less crap by fronting another cause.

I've run out of possible motivators. Can you help me out?
Now let's move beyond fuel and the need to recharge!
written by Mark Goldes, August 13, 2009
Magnetic generators will initially make it possible to cut the cord on a plug-in hybrid, so it no longer needs to plug-in. Later, they can replace the batteries in an electric car. Then, the MagGen can run when the canadian pharmacies car is parked and sell power to the utility. Prototypes are under development.

Next is a Self Powered Internal Combustion Engine - SPICE, which will replace hybrid engines. It will need no fossil fuel and is another path to ending the need to plug-in. The engine can run when parked. SPICE is at an early stage and already has spun off inventions that could be retrofit to existing vehicles and promise a substantial improvement in fuel mileage.

When fully implemented, both systems will be able to wirelessly transmit and sell power to the local utility.

Scientists and viagra canada engineers will doubt these technologies are possible until validation by Independent Laboratories, an important step on the agenda.

Rowan University just issued a Report providing independent validation of fractional Hydrogen.

The SPICE will be powered by fractional Hydrogen - which lets a barrel of water equal hundreds of barrels of oil.

Until now, car ownership has been an expense. In the first stages, cars will need no fossil fuel or recharge. As utilities cooperate, payments to car owners driving a hybrid with a SPICE, or powered by MagGen, are likely to be substantial.

Parked cars each will become decentralized power plants - a rapid, cost-effective path to revitalize the auto industry and the economy!
The missing point
written by Sean, August 14, 2009
He said the overwhelming response to Cash for Clunkers “proves that Americans will bite if you make it economical enough.”

This statement represents a deep psychological pathology folks...has anyone noticed that the way many people handle intimate relationships and families is "economical"? Reward and punishment is keeping the whole gambit up. Why, why do people need to be "bought" in order to do something that makes absolute sense in the face of the other things they've been doing, which don't make sense now, knowing what we know today?? This is not a fix at all, and frankly, those who are offering up the "rewards" are probably laughing at the easiness by which the mass population still takes the bait and remains relatively under control. So the few offer up changes that they can make a profit on, while the good choice viagra best price many continue to follow, unable to make the changes themselves, unable to change without someone "letting" them.

But I guess this isn't a website about consciousness, is it? And please understand, I'm not addressing anybody's comment in particular, it's just that this was the most obvious part of the article to me, and it seems nobody noticed it.
that, and...
written by Sean, August 14, 2009
I'm genuinely interested in why so many "green" folk think it's so great to keep manufacturing cars and save the auto industry? Keeping cars around is going to keep making a very dirty world folks, electric or not. Nevermind the roads and parking that take up soooo much space, that spread basic needs out of reach of walking, that keep people from connecting with each other because of the sprawl of an auto-oriented society.

I'd love to see bigger solutions that electric cars, to be honest. But then, this doesn't seem to be a website about consciousness...
Money for tech?
written by Questionable, August 14, 2009
I am trying to understand why we wouldn't want to invest in technology / products that reduce the environmental damage we do in transporting us and canadian viagra for sale our things.
We gave a ton to the railroads, maybe nit in so much cash, but land that could provide better tranportation infrastructure. That land give away produced jobs and a benefit to us, well our great great grandparents I suppose, but we still benefit even today. So, what's wrong with stimulating the economy a bit, potentially reducing our use of oil by a measureable amounts ( a little bit by all will add up over time), and getting flashtastic new cars onto our newly paved roads and bridges?
Band - Aids
written by Sean, August 15, 2009
I appreciate your reply Bob, but it sounds to me like you think along the lines of the mainstream, which is not a bad thing, and not intended to be a personal slight. I'm as interested as anyone here in the well-being of myself and every particle of Creation. I think that humanity as a whole has reached a point where external fixes are not enough to address the real issues, and the real issues - in our consciousness - continue to be deflected, even evaded. And the longer they are evaded, the harder the challenge will be when the time comes that people have to face those things.

However, we can only do such things together, which means that once again, we need to address ourselves, our attachments to our "toys", "my way", "I want...", and so forth. In the hands of people committed to the genuine well-being of people & life, I guarantee that the money in the auto industry stimulus package would be better spent, create more and longer lasting change, and shift us all in a direction where everyone wins.

This current way does not have win-win as part of the equation. Too many greedy fingers in the pie.
written by Bob Wallace, August 15, 2009

Perfect is the enemy of good.

There are a lot of greedy and selfish fingers in the pie. That's reality.

Changing the world's consciousness in an extreme manner is not realistic. At least changing it in time to prevent runaway climate problems. (If we fail to avoid runaway heating then I'll bet consciousness makes an abrupt change. But too late.)

"In the hands of people committed to the genuine well-being of people & life, I guarantee that the money in the auto industry stimulus package would be better spent, create more and longer lasting change, and shift us all in a direction where everyone wins."

Reality is, the stimulus package money was a good use, not a perfect use. "Perfect" people don't rule. And by rule I mean not just elected officials, but also the people who elect them.

Were you to know me you would clearly understand that I am not part of the "mainstream".

But I don't preach lofty ideals that are very unlikely to be adopted. Instead I look for ways to solve problems that are likely to help and are palatable enough to the general public, the mainstream, to have some degree of acceptance.

Education and workable solutions are my routes to solving problems.

People will give up a little or suffer a little pain if they understand the reason why they should. Education creates understanding.

But when it comes to solutions the generic viagra 100mg sweeter the medicine, the more likely it is to be swallowed.
written by Sean, August 18, 2009
At this time sir, I'm content with agreeing to disagree. There are many aspects to this whole situation, and each of us are only seeing parts. In all sincerity, you have my gratitude for your participation in being the change we all need to see. Keep up the great work! ~Sean
written by IggyDalrymple, August 18, 2009
"like retrofitting the Empire State Building"

Where do you propose putting it?
written by Bob Wallace, August 18, 2009
Iggy -




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