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Spain’s Bullet Train Bringing People Together

Spain has got a lot of green going on – tons of solar, tons of wind and sales viagra a bullet train. If you are American and you are unfamiliar with bullet trains… it’s probably because we don’t have any. Spain does, though, as do other European countries and Japan. Bullet trains are simply high speed trains that offer a convenient alternative to flying.

Spain’s bullet train is called Alta Velocidad Española, or AVE (Spanish for “bird”, which makes for nice imagery). It can travel at speeds up to 218 mph and it spans a huge corridor from Barcelona to Madrid to Seville. The AVE is a work still in progress and, if all goes according to new viagra plan, 90% of the Spanish population will live within 31 miles of an AVE station.

As this WSJ article reports, the AVE has tremendously affected life for many Spaniards. Traditionally, Spain has been a country where people stayed close to home when it came to college and jobs. Now, many people are moving into towns that were once dying out because those towns have AVE stations. Colleges in such towns can attract more students and qualified professors. Businesses start up. All because of the connectivity.

Of course, it should be noted that not everyone in Spain is happy that the government is pouring money into the AVE project. After all, the country’s economy is slumping, and it will take a long time, if ever, to make back the money being spent.

Still, it’s worth considering the buy now online cialis train’s merits, especially as we ponder over the possibility of building our own high speed rail in California. And wouldn’t it be fitting if California, which owes much of its history to the Spanish, drew Spanish inspiration for its trains as well?


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written by kevsters, April 23, 2009
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Renewable Transportation
written by Dan Roscoe, April 23, 2009
Not only is high speed train travel a fast and how to buy viagra in budapest comfortable alternative to flying, it can also be powered with the very renewable energy that Spain is becoming famous for!.

Although the project is expensive up front, it could be designed in a way that included all of viagra profesional the required wind turbines, solar panels and wave generators to power it, and therefore essentially fixing the cost of running the train.
written by Kirsten H., April 24, 2009
Beautiful article! Succinct and positive.

I experienced the wonder of the AVE after living abroad in Spain and using this train to get from Sevilla, in the south, through Madrid and to Barcelona in the northeast in just a few hours. It was clean, modern and cushy. I felt pampered! Nowhere near as hectic as flying, and clearly more eco-friendly. Apparently, politicians and businesspeople in Spain are using it regularly as part of their commute to get from one region's capitol city to another.

The high speed train is a great advancement for California! It may take a while to viagra no doctor pay off in terms of money, but the benefit for commuters, travelers and viagra free pills the environment will be almost immediate.
not a bullet train...but a high speed t
written by Ben, April 24, 2009
I just wanted to underline the fact that AVE isn't a bullet train. It is a high speed train based on the french train technology which is different from the japanese bullet train.

The current target in europe being to interconnect most of the countries with such trains. Many technologies are competing, such as the but cialis online AVE, also called LGV, TGV, Thalys or eurostar as well as the pendolino in Italy or the ICE in Germany.

but bullet. it definitly isn't!!

Picture is ICE3?
written by Kevin, April 24, 2009
I think the picture is a German ICE-3.

Ben: Do you know if they are getting are going to use a standard TGV, a modified version, or is it a collaborative build?
ICE or AVE train
written by Skadi, April 24, 2009
To Kevin: both trains look very similar. I wonder if they are manufactured by the same company.
written by Samantha, April 24, 2009
I think it's time for Americans to improve their public transportation so that the idea of public transportation wouldn't be as unappalling as it is now for an average Amerian. Seriously, the organization and services are so bad around here. I feel that if only I have a car I wouldn't be taking public transportation out here.
written by Marc, April 25, 2009
to kevin:

the trains are the same, but the color is for an AVE.

TO who wrotte the article.
I think that spain is not the best example, you should say GERMAN who has the ICE for a lot of years they have also invented the magnet train. THE AVE in spain is very puntual but the regional trains are SHIT ( ihave used them for a long long time ago) and the german regionals trains are very very puntually ( I have travel take 7 trains in a day and all of them are puntual, if I were in spain with one regional i will be 20 minutes late).

About the energy, the last year in spain there was a boom with photovoltaic energy but theses year there is a big crisis
written by Edouard, April 25, 2009
First and foremost, many thanks for this fantastic article!

To Wikipedia, both trains are manufactured by Alstom, a French company.

I didn't know Spain had a fast train like the French TGV or the German ACE.

Fast trains are indeed fantastic to reduce one's carbon footprint. By using it often last year I avoided the emissions of pfizer viagra one tonne of CO2.

Keep up the good work !
written by Steve, April 27, 2009
it will take a long time, if ever, to make back the money being spent

Not true. The companies building the trains, the track, and all the very good site professional levitra online other infrastructure are probably making money hand over fist. It just needs to be sold as a stimulus plan!
Bullet trains and TGVs
written by electricnick, April 27, 2009
The TGV is made by Alsthom while the German ICE is Siemens. The technologies are similar but they are not the same. Spain has worked with the TGV technology and Alsthom, having previously bought locomotives from them. It has at one point bought the older Talgo train which was, we believe a Japanese locomotive and car system. Very pretty.

The picture above is of a German ICE.
AVE is not TGV
written by Diego Méndez, April 28, 2009
Spain has trains based on French (Alstom, up to 300km/h), German (Siemens, up to 350km/h) and Spanish (Talgo, up to 330km/h; CAF, up to 250km/h, with variable-gauge axles) designs.

The train in the photo is the Siemens one. It is not exactly the same train as German ICEs, but a modified version, done by CAF and Alstom in Spain, and running at higher speeds than in Germany.

More trains will be running in the future. CAF is developing a 350km/h train with variable-gauge axle, and Talgo is developing a 380km/h train, which will be the fastest in the world. Both will probably enter service by 2013.
written by Diego Méndez, April 28, 2009
It has at one point bought the older Talgo train which was, we believe a Japanese locomotive and car system.

Talgo is Spanish. The Japanese bought some patents from Talgo to buying us online cialis try and bio viagra herbal use them in Japanese bullet trains, but with no results yet. Apparently, Talgo's tilting system (developed in the 1940s) has some advantages for high-speed rail, as it is ideal for having motors under the cars all along the levitra for cheap train.

Talgo tilting high-speed trains bought by RENFE are a brand new design (2005).
Not that good.
written by F. Míguez, May 03, 2009
I'm from Spain. Just a kilometer away from my house it's been builded one of those "high speed" Spain's railways (at the north-west atlantic coast) so, belive me, I know what it is. I don´t want to bore you with our problems, but I'd like to point three facts you should know and think about:
1. High speed railways infraestructure have a huge environmental impact. Ponds and other water supplys dry, and territory gets drastically cut there where the infraestructure is built. That without talking about the construcction procces itself. Here, where I live, tons of dirt where carried by rain to the sea, affecting fishing and other marine productive activities.
2. High speed trains, in Spain, means no conventional trains any more. As "AVE" or other high speed lines get into service, the other services in the same region get automatically canceled, with two negative consecuences:(a) High speed fares are about double normal train fares, so less people can afford regular train use and (b)many little towns and villages go out of any train service. In my region, called Galicia, when the main railway line get to high speed only five towns will have a station, instead the thirty stops existing some years ago. The following link (spanish) describes the situation in other places.
3. Infraestructure building lobby, here in Spain is like the weapon production lobby in the USA (sorry for the buying viagra in the us topic). Spain is already one of the world leading countries by high capacity infraestructure density ratios, but there are still plans to keep on building even where it's not necesary or even counterproductive.
No, you don't know what it is
written by Diego Méndez, May 04, 2009
F. Míguez,

Galicia is one of the poorest region in Spain. Coincidentally, it has no high-speed connection to the rest of Spain yet.

You can't say you know what high-speed rail is, because you haven't seen its effects yet. As soon as people from Madrid can reach Galicia by train in 3 hours, tourism will treble and Galicia's underdeveloped service economy (software companies, lawyers, consultants, etc.) will take off (as it happened in other Spanish cities).

Let me answer to your worries one by one:

1. Environment. Yes, it has an impact, as any other road, railroad, etc.

2. The answer for smaller villages is commuter rail (Cercanías), i.e. more investment in rail infrastructure, not less. (A good example for Galicia could be Cercanías Santander). You say fewer people can afford regular rail use due to higher fares; the fact is high-speed rail makes passenger numbers explode. Even if most small villages lose their twice-a-day rail connection (and I repeat: that's what commuter rail is for, just build it), more people will be taking the train than before.

3. Galicia is not an example for infrastructure-rich regions. Galicia lacks any mass transit infrastructure, with no city having underground nor commuter rail. Roads are a nightmare, with even short distances taking hours to drive. The lack of both inner and buy viagra us outer connectivity explains why Galicia is so poor, and why most young people emigrate from that region.

In short: the day Galicia has as good infrastructure as Madrid, it will be as rich as Madrid (which means richer than most of Europe), it will have stopped aging and mass emigration and will have enough money to care for the environment and beautiful, lively cities with lots of levitra online buy parks (unlike now).

I can't see which infrastructure we are building in Spain is not necessary. By the way, in Madrid, which leads Europe in mass transit and road infrastructure, I can't wait for more infrastructure to be built. We really need it. E.g. despite having 400km (overcrowded) commuter rail, we still need those 150km commuter rail tracks to be built in the next 6 years as much as people in the desert need water; we really need to build a 12-lane underground road to tramadol buy Madrid southern suburbs (instead of the overcrowded 6-lane surface road we have now), etc. etc.
Some comments
written by Esteban, June 11, 2009

I´m a Spanish engineer working on the high-speed train network, I would like to comment some things:

First of all there is a mixup between the AVE and the high-speed train itself. AVE is not a train, but a service called Alta Velocidad Española, ie, Spanish High Speed. So the AVE service is carried out by different models of high-speed trains. Therefore sentences like "the AVE is based on the french TGV" make no sense.

The first high-speed train which entered service in 1992 was the S-100, wich was based on an existing French high-speed train but was manufactured in Spain. Currently we have serving in AVE different models of high-speed trains:

Updated S-100 (based on French technology)
S-102 (Spanish model and my favourite, in wich Mr. Ray LaHood, the USA secretary of transportation recently travelled)
S-103 (in the photo, based on German technology)

Apart from the AVE service, Renfe (Spanish state-owned railway operator) offers another service called Avant which also uses the high-speed network. The difference between AVE and Avant is that the Avant service is aimed to medium distances (50-300 km), it is a little bit slower (250 km/h) and considerabily cheaper for the user. The Avant service is also carried out by different models, some of them are Spanish-made and some others are based on foreign technologies.

Apart from that, I have read some articles in wich the authors treated the Spanish frenzy for the high speed trains as some kind of Spanish extravagance. It seems that some people think "why Spain is doing so while some other advanced countries don´t do it?" There are two big reasons:

1-The clear Spanish determination to turn its energetic model to green energies as much and mail order viagra in uk as soon as possible, as somebody wisely commented above.

2-Rarely noted: The orography of Spain itself. And I don´t mean that Spain is flat, since contrary to popular belief, Spain is one of the most mountainous countries in Europe. But Spain apart from mountainous is a squared country, and the distance between the center (Madrid) to the borders is in the range 300-600 km. This makes Spain a perfect country for a high-speed railway network, since the limit distance in which the high-speed train can beat the air transport is proved to be about 600 km.

The very same reasons also make California a top candidate to develop a great high-speed train network.

Finally, I want to reply to Mr. Míguez, who wrote above. I am Galician, and sincerely, I don´t understand these comments about Galicia being "one of the poorest regions" with "roads being a nightmare" etc. First of all, Galicia is not anymore one of the poorest regions in Spain. From the economic point of view, Galicia is in the Spanish average. Regarding the "nightmare roads", I will only say that the four main cities of Galicia are linked by highways since ages ago, and the secondary roads are pretty good. I rather think that Mr. Míguez is one of these NO!-persons. Don´t worry Mr. Míguez, we are now working hard to bring the high speed railway to my loved Galicia in just a very few years from now.

Sorry for my post took too long.

written by Fred, July 24, 2009
thats go good move for spain

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